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mochilero7687 :

It has long been said that 3 billion is the appropriate population for the planet to be sustainable. We are at 7 billion and will be at 8 within the blink of an eye. It is your views which are codswallop and rubbish. Until we address the huge overpopulation in so-called emerging economies we face ultimate doom.

weematt in response to mochilero:

Since Malthus, time and again, those long held figured have been blown out of the water. Nonsense. It is not overpopulation is the problem, but the private, corporate or state ownership of the means of production and distribution with its competitive ethos and accumulative 5% minority parasitic profit system, allied with the coercive state apparatus and war machines, to aid , back-up its plundering and wasteful use of nature given raw resources as well as the exploitation of the 95% human resources in pursuit of accumulation of profits..

We are more than capable, with a commonly owned world, of sustaining a superabundance of the necessities of life with production for use and not for sale, allied to free access to them, with democratic control exercised by all through delegation, not government or states, allied to a self regulating virtuous production equilibrium of  holistically sustainable and ethical environmental standards.

In response to twelveyards

It is irrelevant whether the family is traditional, monogamous, polygamous, extended, dysfunctional, or happy clappy. It is used as a unit of social control by the ruling class.

Poverty is caused in the developed world by capitalism, it takes place at the point of production. It is INEVITABLE. The political differences are small between the governing and aspirant governing parties and in the less developed world poverty is caused by the same capitalist exploitation of resources in which tribal and other organised clan, family or ethnic differences are exploited to capital’s advantage in power grabs over natural resources and raw materials.

The family units can be just as much a hindrance, as a support mechanism, driving workers further afield from their families, to be exploited in the service of their responsibilities.

You have a bee in your bonnet about families which is almost smacks of a religious dogma..

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In response to ldbk

Yes the maths is simple. Housing and anything else in capitalism is produced to make a profit from market for a parasite class and not to satisfy human needs.

Capitalism is responsible for this , deliberate creation and manipulation of markets in human misery and for driving down wages and reducing availablity of essential commodities if profit is not derived form their production, not immigrants.

We are quite capable of producing for use to satisfy all human needs and ushering in the post-capitalist future. Capitalism has been obsolete since the start of the last century, hence two world wars.

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In response to Michael Hobson

Each new mouth to feed produces a pair of hands to be exploited by the parasite class.
All wealth springs from labour.

A democratic, post-capitalist, commonly owned, production for use society can utilise resources and technology to introduce a fully automated luxury communism with free access to the wealth thus socially produced.

We can run society ourselves, rid the planet of government over us, war between rival capitalist concerns over , trade routes, raw materials, markets and spheres of geopolitical interests.

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In response to Michael Hobson

If ownership and control of production and distribution was in the hands of all production was commonly owned for use instead of for profit, with free access,there would not be the same wastefull production in wasteful competition to satisfy markets with duplication of efforts, while human needs go unmet.

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In response to MsBeeton

Yes well despite the illusion of diversity we do all have more in common with workers worldwide than with the captalist class as 95% of the worlds population own little mor ehtan their ability to work for a wage or a salary and the 5% capitalist class constitute a parasitic class to whose ends the diversity propaganda serves.

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In response to twelveyards

The ‘family’ is irrelevant in what causes poverty other than a potential economic unit for exploitation.
Poverty absolute or relative is an inevitable essential concomitant of capitalism.
Capitalism depends on poverty in order to exploit the capacity of the majority to produce surplus wealth above what they consume or need to reproduce the next generationof wage slaves.

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In response to MsBeeton

Rubbish. Poverty is global problem of capitalism.
American children have a 43% chance of being born into poverty. While food assistance, public health insurance, and other programs have certainly had a mitigating effect on poverty for many families, the fact remains that in the United States young children have close to a one in two chance of living on the brink of poverty. Out of all age groups, children are still most likely to live in poverty, according to new research from the National Center for Children in Poverty (NCCP) at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Using the latest available data from the American Community Survey, NCCP researchers found that in 2015, while 30 percent of adults have low incomes, more than 40 percent of all children live in low-income families — including 5.2 million infants and toddlers under 3.
43 percent (30.6 million) of America’s children are living in families barely able to afford their most basic needs, according to Basic Facts about Low-Income Children, the center’s annual series of profiles on child poverty in America. It has damn all ot do with whether women ar eat work, in hte home or whether men are sole bresd winners.

Capitalism depends on poverty stricken workers selling their ability to work for a minimum ration of what they need to survive and reproduce future wage slaves and these conditions of waged slavery ensure a ready supply of workers to exploit now and in the future.

“The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.”
― Voltaire

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– for too long politicians looked away as family instability and poor child development blighted lives in the poorest neighbourhoods”.

You couldn’t make it up, talk about spin. poverty, absolute or relative, is an inevitable concomitant of capitalism. wsithout poverty striken members of society then capital has no one to exploit for profit. All of the ills of society stem from this fact. Capitalism is past its use by date and has been so nsinc ehte star tof last century.

A post-capitalist , production for use, commonly owned world with free access to all the means of living and democratic control over resources will ensure that all of the earths reources are shared instead of hoarded for the benefit of a minority parasite class on whose behalf the politicians set out to stream and manage the rest of us, into obedient little wage slaves.

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In response to Michael Hobson

Again the problems over population. Population up, standard of living down.

Codswallop and Rubbish. The overpopulation myth threatens to overtake the human nature myth as the chief explanation for the evils of the modern world where hunger, disease, the retarded development of backward countries, social unrest, political instability, urban sprawl, destruction of wildlife, city squalor, crowded mental hospitals, violence, all kinds of pollution and ecological upset, the shortage of housing and the desecration of the countryside are all confidently attributed to the problem of an excess of human beings. The readiness to accept the “overpopulation” argument arises from a lack of understanding of the way capitalism works.The “overpopulation problem” is really a misuse of resources problem. Capitalism, as a system of rationing via the market, is justified in people’s minds by a belief in scarcity. “There isn’t enough to go round”, so we must be restricted in what we are allowed to consume. It has become a cliché to speak of “this overcrowded planet” yet if, for example, the entire world’s population were now placed in the United States, the population density in that country would still be little more than that of Holland.

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In response to LetsBeFair4All

There is no truly independent country in the world, because international capitalism has made sure of this, and our own experience here in Britain, especially since 1964, should have brought it home to us. The past few years should have shown us just how independent Britain is, when foreign “bankers” tell the British government how to spend money, and how it must not spend money, in order to keep the international capitalist class happy.
Independence for Scotland therefore is a myth put about by the Scottish National Party, which further confuses the Scottish section of the working class and blinds them from the real struggle – the class struggle.
The outcome of the class struggle is the abolition of capitalism and an end to poverty, insecurity and the ever-present threat of war.

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